What Happens When High-Achieving Women Stop Waiting for Permission with Lisa Nash, Terry O’Laoghaire and Karen Ryan

speaker-0 (00:00)
Welcome to the Lucy Gernon Show. Today I am recording this podcast live from my annual retreat with a lot of my amazing female leader clients. And today I am joined on the show by the amazing Karen Ryan, Terry O’Leary, and Lisa Nash, who are here to share their stories, which I know are going to inspire you greatly. We have had women who have had to lead through the toughest times. We have had women who have achieved incredible things in their career.

And today they are here to share their stories to inspire you to do the same. So girls, you are very welcome to the show. Yay, you’re finally here. So do you wanna we’re gonna start with you, Karen. Okay do you wanna just maybe introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about where, you know, who you are, what you do?

speaker-1 (00:45)
Yeah, so I’m Karen Ryan and I work for a drugs containment manufacturer. I work in the credit and collection space there as director and global process owner for invoice to cash. It’s a long-warded one. basically means I’m responsible for that whole end-to-end process.

and I’m with 360 now since probably coming up two years now.

and I joined 360 at a point where I would have

Been in my current role a couple of years and I was kinda getting ready for that next phase and what I wanted to kind of do next, but not too sure what that was going to be. but I was also very conscious of the fact that I was very kind of work focused and everything else was kind of sliding. And that was what attracted me to Tree Sixty was because it was focused on everything and not just work. It was focused on the work and the life balance as well too. And that’s that’s why I ended up in the world of tree six.

speaker-0 (01:35)
And you’re still here with

speaker-1 (01:37)
I

finally I finally have to stalk on you for about three or four years before that I finally

speaker-0 (01:41)
So we’re here with a live audience of you. Hear giggles, it’s actually not canned laughter. Everyone in the background, do a little fake laugh again. I’d have them all fake laughing on B roll reels today. so we’ll introduce now to Terry next. So Terry, do you wanna introduce yourself?

speaker-2 (01:56)
Yeah, hi everyone. I’m Terry O’Leary. I work in technology in a large US financial services company. I’ve worked in the same company for over 20 years, but I feel like I’ve had many roles within the one company. I joined 360, I suppose, at a phase where I had been a mum, had been on maternity leave twice and really, I suppose, felt a bit lost in my career when I rejoined and saw a lot of other maybe male colleagues had…

progressed and I hadn’t so I really just wanted to work on my confidence and you know that’s been really helpful.

speaker-0 (02:30)
And here you are today, live on a podcast. So amazing. Well done. And finally, Lisa, do you want to introduce yourself? Sure. Hi.

speaker-3 (02:38)
Lisa Nash. I am actually from the US. I was fortunate to make the trip here to be with the group in Ireland. I actually just left a corporate career after 30 years in life sciences and went out on my own. So I am now the founder and principal consultant of my own company and continuing to be part of 360 because this is the next part of my journey.

I’ve had a couple of stops. As my career progression happened and life happened, I found it very valuable to be part of this community and to invest in myself to be able to handle the additional responsibility of new roles or after promotions and and just getting the skills to be able to make it possible. So I’m very excited.

speaker-0 (03:33)
excited for all of us to be here today. So I

Lisa, while we’re on you, we may as well we’ll just keep the spotlight on you. So take us back a little bit to before, you know, we met and before you joined 360. Who was Lisa Nash the leader and what was she getting feedback on at that point in her career?

speaker-3 (03:50)
Yeah, wow, it seemed so long ago,

but really important.

I had always progressed and was an overachiever, people pleaser by nature. And I worked hard and I thought that working hard would get rewarded. And I also thought that people would look out for me and would help me and embrace lifting me up.

And what I realized was is that just as I was having feelings of needing that support, everybody else had those feelings too and were looking out for themselves. And I always played a role that I thought other people wanted me to play. So when we talk about showing up, I was showing up as a completely different person than who I was because I was afraid that.

I they’d find out or I wasn’t really at the level that I should be to have the job that I had. or I shouldn’t s share my opinions because it, you know, it might have been wrong. And so there was a lot of concern about how I showed up.

speaker-0 (05:04)
What what what was that like?

speaker-3 (05:06)
It’s very stressful and eventually it leads to burnout. And that unfortunately had to happen for me to realize that I I didn’t need to live that way and I could be successful and really be authentic. and you know, burnout’s a real thing and you don’t realize it’s happening until it happens.

speaker-0 (05:30)
How did you know that you were in Burnett? What were the signs for you?

speaker-3 (05:33)
Yeah,

so for me, we talk a lot about something was off, right? I don’t feel right. And I I’ve I’ve heard it from a couple people, even in the sessions we’re having, right? Something’s just not right. and I knew it, but I couldn’t put my finger on it. And for me, holding stress in physically manifested in my body. And I also then again didn’t realize what was happening. so

I started having physical pain. And it got worse. And then I wasn’t sleeping. And my mind was constantly going and it wasn’t shutting off. And the best way I can describe it is my body was in full fight or flight mode and there was no off switch. So I went to doctors, went to physical therapy, went to all the traditional stuff, and all the tests, and nobody could figure out like what was happening, but I just knew something was wrong.

And so I started to look for other ways to manage it and came across a LinkedIn post that you commented on and it resonated with me. And I started thinking, wow, maybe I maybe I need a a coach, like somebody to help me sort this all out. so as I’ve mentioned before, dealing with the physical part of getting back on track, I I literally couldn’t get out of bed.

If something dropped on the floor, I couldn’t get on the floor to pick it up. I was.

speaker-0 (07:04)
This was really scary. Like how was like

speaker-3 (07:07)
Yeah. It was. getting help to on the physical stuff was the easy part. The hard part was really looking at why I was feeling that way, why I got to burnout, and how I was gonna fix it. I that it’s easy when you have tasks and you know, okay, I can fix it.

This was something completely out of the norm that I never dealt with before. And I was also very quiet about it. I had reached an executive level role. I was the first female and got introduced as the first female in the history of the company in that role. And I always felt like I had to show up and I could not show any weakness. And so that really, that really.

was the perfect combination of it wasn’t gonna end well.

speaker-0 (08:03)
you’ve spoken before about I remember you said we were on the show before about you were walking into boardrooms and you were the only woman in a boardroom with fourteen men. So can you take us to a specific moment after that that time when you were in a in a room with with after you did the work and you used the tools and all of those things when you were in a situation in a boardroom where you where you did something different and what was the result?

speaker-3 (08:31)
Yeah, okay, so in order to do that, I have to I have to share the what didn’t work. Uh-huh. Right. So, and we talk a lot about values, and just real quickly, I had never thought about what was important to me in values ever in my life until this time. And I had to really investigate that. But before I really realized my value system, I would react to things and I wouldn’t know why, but certain things would really set me off.

And I I unfortunately was in a board meeting, and one of my peers shared information that wasn’t quite accurate, and I took exception with it with him on the spot in front of the board. And the reality of that situation was that it did not look well and good for me,

and he

Yeah. So the funny thing about it is making those changes, I then got complimented on my executive presence and how I handled myself in those situations. And so it was really again me making the decision that I wasn’t gonna show up all any other way than my best self. And there’s consequences sometimes, right? There are choices. You either you either agree.

stick with it or you don’t. And so going on the journey of really understanding who you are and building that confidence makes those decisions much easier.

speaker-0 (10:11)
What would you say, Terry? I suppose you’ve been on on a journey as well. I’m I’d love for you to go back to Terry a couple of years ago, like what was going on for you personally and professionally back then and what do you think about how you were showing up?

speaker-2 (10:26)
Yeah, I suppose if I look at before I joined 360, I wanted to progress. But again, I think I was more looking at a thing of other people progress and I haven’t and trying to figure out how I can make that next leap. But it was more I was sitting there waiting for someone to see my good work. I was an excellent worker and an excellent person who got things done, a fixer, as some people have said today.

But I was told in certain things, suppose, if I modeled, I saw some role models of leaders in my organization, my personality and how I showed up was very different to them. I had got feedback. I wasn’t strategic. I needed to be more visible. I was too nice. And I’m a very nice, gentle, I have a gentle way about me. And I suppose it didn’t align with me to go in and be bossy and bossy. And I suppose in some ways, that’s what I felt.

was what I needed to become to be a leader and that was really conflicting. So I think when I joined 360, I wanted the recognition, but I’ve also learned so much about myself since I’ve joined that at that point I wanted a title because I wanted someone else to tell me you are good enough to earn that title. But I actually didn’t necessarily believe that myself. I wanted any title at that point. I hadn’t thought about what do I want?

What am I good at? What company deserves my my talents? And so I think I’ve had a real journey since I joined 360 of self-reflection and realizing I wanted the role when I joined, but I hadn’t hadn’t ever updated my CV. I hadn’t updated my LinkedIn. I was waiting for someone to see me and tap me on the shoulder without doing some, you know, some deep work myself. So I’ve had a real journey of again, getting to know myself more and owning.

who I am and being more comfortable with who I am and things have changed when I’ve got more comfortable with myself.

speaker-0 (12:28)
I love that. And you speak a lot about I know authenticity is really important to you and obviously everyone here, authenticity is so important, I think, to everyone. But I know in particular we’ve had conversations about being an authentic leader. Like what does that mean for you now? What does that authentic leadership mean?

speaker-2 (12:46)
I think for me,

before I was pretending to not have kids and not be a mum in work and outside of work I was pretending not to have a really big important job and I was splitting myself in two

and it just, I was tying myself in knots. I wasn’t authentic in either place then. So for me it’s slowly learning how to blend the two and getting comfortable not having to tell work.

about all the details of everything about kids and pick up on what’s going on, but equally not shying away from that and owning that and still delivering with value. So getting more comfortable with both sides of that. And at the other way, at home, being honest, yeah, I have to go on a call or I do this or I’m a boss. My kids call me mini boss now. They’re like the minions in Gru. I think there was one clear difference, I suppose, before my

My boss at the time had invited me. I hadn’t traveled for a long time since I had kids and there was an event in Edinburgh. I had organized the whole event but I’d organized it on behalf of others. I was too nice to say I should go and she offered, you should come. And I went and asked my husband, is it okay if I go to Edinburgh? And he sat and said to me, if that was me, I would just tell you I was going to Edinburgh. And he meant it in the nicest way because I want you to tell me you’re going to Edinburgh and you need me to step up.

It was a real shift in how I was meekly asking for permission to do something that he felt was already my right. And again, it was a big reflection of me to kind of go, you he was seeing I was capable and I wasn’t. I needed that confidence boost at the time to feel I was worthy. But yeah, it’s kind of building on things like that.

speaker-0 (14:31)
No.

speaker-3 (14:32)
That’s possible.

speaker-2 (14:33)
I do.

speaker-0 (14:34)
Important

thing. And Karen then, like going to you then, can you think back to Karen a couple of years ago versus Karen now? Like what would you say is is the biggest shift? ‘Cause I think the thing I want people to understand is like pre professional development and personal development more, it takes it’s a journey. It doesn’t just happen. I used to think it was we’ve talked about this, I’ll read a book or I’ll take a course or I’ll do this one coach. Well it’s it’s an ongoing journey. So what has your journey of self discovery and

development being and where has it led you?

speaker-1 (15:05)
I suppose pr prior to three sixty I would have been the person who just reads the books and just keeps reading the books, listen to the podcasts. Back then I was listening to the podcast

speaker-0 (15:13)
Yeah, it’s my podcast.

speaker-1 (15:15)
Yeah, yeah, of course. I was stopping it back then, you see. and you know, I was doing a lot a lot of the I don’t do a lot a great deal of reading, but when I was it was always self help, you know. So I knew what I had to do, but I always struggled with actually taking the action to make the change. and I think that’s kind of what Three Sixty has actually helped me do and and still.

learning and I’m still evolving and I’m still doing. but the w like the one thing that I always take from what you had said in the early days when I started was that imperfect action is better than no action. And that’s kind of something I’ve adopted. So even though like if if I want to do something, it’s baby steps. It doesn’t have to be I have to wait until all the drugs are in a row and then do it. You know, I can start small and then build momentum.

speaker-0 (15:59)
Wha can you give me an example or if you can think of one on the spot. If you can’t, don’t worry about it. Yeah. Of some like imperfect actions that you’ve taken and what the result was.

speaker-1 (16:08)
Yeah, I mean one of the big things that I did probably the year before last was we were we’d in our organization we had we had been there for probably about three or four years at this stage as a shared service organization. I was very conscious of the fact that the team had were there with me since the start as well too and they wanted development and they were looking for that as well too. And you know, i you’re you’re trying to find ways to do that. You don’t have budget or anything like that, you know, so how do you actually help people develop?

So I kind of relooked it at my organization and did a bit of a restructure. And my thought process behind that was to give people an opportunity to kind of step up to be exposed to different markets rather than being boxed into what they had been in. And but part of that was actually a reshift of a portfolio of accounts. How do we now assign accounts to different people? And I remember myself and the direct reports, we were tying ourselves up with nuts trying to to kind of figure out the right way to split the accounts, making sure this person had.

you know, only this they only have this bandwidth, they can only do hig this amount of workload and you’re tying yourselves up at nuts. Do we do it based on ABC? Do we do a based on market segments? All of this type of stuff. And eventually I just said, hang on a second, look. We’re just gonna have to go and do something. Let’s just pull the plaster off and let’s just do it. If it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. We we go back to the drawer on board and we relook at it again. So we did that. and it wasn’t plain sailing when we did do it, you know, it was a big shift and a big change for the team as well too. And

We kinda had to work with the team and kinda coach them through that as well too. And it it took us a while. But we’re we’re on out through the other side of it now. So it’s it’s been good. And it has actually been for the better of the team. I and I still firmly stand over to the the decision to kind of do that and to take that action without kind of waiting. Because I pro I could probably still be waiting now today.

speaker-0 (17:49)
And and it’s interesting that you you know, I think the whole imperfect action thing is just when I first heard that concept I just thought it was so powerful because like you said as women, we are sitting there waiting a lot of the time for everything to be just perfect before we do the thing. Yeah. And now I’m I’m wondering what ripple effect are your team starting to adopt that as well, or some of your team learning from that?

speaker-1 (18:09)
Yeah, I can see that with definitely with the director ports, ’cause I do a lot of one on one coaching with them as well too. Trying to kind of help them evolve and to be successful as well too. And I can see that as well. Like, you know, it would have been a case of they come and they’d ask me. Whereas no, I’m you know, now it’s kinda more they just do it and then just keep me in the loop type of thing. Like, you know, when it’s not it’s it’s it’s it’s great to kind of see that development in them as well too, ’cause obviously for me as a leader, success to me is seeing the team develop and the team be successful. So

speaker-0 (18:36)
And I love that because it sounds like you’ve created a really safe space to fill, which is how you innovate, it’s how you grow and it is like the epitome of leadership. So seriously.

speaker-1 (18:46)
Yeah, well no, it was the one thing I remember when I started in this company, it was the one thing I was told during the interview by my boss was that that was the the kind of culture he wanted to create, somewhere where people could feel safe that if they did fail at something they learned from it and they can move on. Yeah. That it wasn’t it

speaker-0 (18:59)
Because

that’s business, right? I think some people have a perfect expectation of perfect perfection in business and it’s absolutely like not the case. You have to try and grow and learn and and fail. So Lisa, back to you. I know yeah, you speak a lot about values led leadership and you have talked about when you really start to lead through your values that everything changed. So what does that look like when you are in a room full of senior level males and you are

in your values. How I know we touched on it earlier, but how do you like what does that look like for you? What does it mean for you? And what are your values?

speaker-3 (19:37)
Yeah, so it really it really has to be centered on authenticity and being comfortable with who you are. And it’s kind of fun actually, because once you’re at that point, it’s freeing. You’re free to say and do professionally, of course.

but I do spend a lot of time on values because it it really was a game changer for me. And I mentioned trust, integrity, courage, or

our three and then my family, faith, and friends, right? So it’s it kind of gets me off the hook in a lot of ways now because I always check if I if I get an opportunity. And this has been the hardest part as a business owner now, right? And wanting to get business,

I now have the ability to say, does this client align with what I’m trying to accomplish? And

I’ve said no a couple times and I, you know, could I have taken the jobs and done you know got money? Yes, but I want to stay true to who I am. And so when I look at the the corporate setting and board meetings and being in the C suite,

it’s I can sleep I slept better at night when I was true to myself because I wasn’t retracing.

Well, did I say this or should I say that? Or was that wrong or was that right? It was it just was. And it was that realization that I had value and I was contributing to the organization, and I was very happy with my team’s performance and what we were accomplishing. So what others thought didn’t matter to me. And once I was at that point.

Then it was more about the communication style and how I interacted. If we didn’t agree or we weren’t in alignment, it was not personal. It was about the the process and how we were having the dialogue and communicating the differences. And it just we talk about ego, right? Ego states. And being the adult in the room is probably the best role to have.

It is very empowering. And it took me so long to figure it out. But once I figured it out, again, you have to put the work in, like we’ve talked about. The tools are there. But if you’re not really committed to putting the work in to finding these things out, then you’re really not helping yourself. Because it’s n it’s not anybody else’s concern or problem or responsibility. It’s solely my mine to address, fix.

Get promoted, take a new job. At the end of the day, the decision’s mine.

speaker-0 (22:34)
And that’s one thing I really respect about you and about all of you is that I obviously have coached hundreds and hundreds of women at this stage. And one thing that I know for for you all and lots of other people in this room today as well, looking around, you’ve put in the work and you haven’t just showed up in three sixty and expected your hand to be held and all of that. You have all like got in there and you have consistently put in the work. You

you talk a lot about tools. and it i you are just an example of what’s possible when you commit to doing the work on and for yourself and it is an evolution.

On the tools front, you love tools. You love a good tool, so do I. what are your some of your favorite tools in three sixty that you’ve used that have supported you in this process?

speaker-3 (23:25)
yeah, I I do. It’s it’s a blueprint, right? what I like about the tools that we use is that they’re they’re thought provoking. They’re not directive. It’s not do this. There are a lot of frameworks out there, there’s a lot of coaches out there and a lot of things that you can do, but are the tools like I love the rants to power tool because now if some something pops in my head and it’s negative, I write it down.

And then I quickly say, okay, how can I reframe this? we talked earlier about finance, right? I’m not I’ve mentioned on the podcast I was on before, I’m not good at math, but it wasn’t until a couple of years ago that I would admit it. Because in a senior level role, you’re supposed to be you’re, you know, you there’s a level of financial acumen you have to have, which I have.

But I don’t get excited when somebody says, I’ve got the best spreadsheet, I’m gonna share it with you. I’m it’s just that Yeah, right.

speaker-1 (24:29)
Finance, but I’m not an accountant.

speaker-0 (24:30)
You’re

not an accountant, well is it?

speaker-3 (24:33)
But being able to say, I’m gonna go find somebody, right? So rants to power help me. you know, you know, I’m not good at math, but I do know good I knew people that are good at math, right? the stakeholder mapping, people’s roles. All right, we’ve got a situation that’s I already know this meeting when I walk in, it’s gonna be a disaster and it’s gonna be tense. Taking 10 minutes before the meeting to do the stakeholder map to figure out, okay, they’re coming from this perspective.

And this is what they want, this is what I need, and how do we how do we get it all to work? And that preparation is confidence going into the meeting, knowing that I had a game plan ahead of time.

speaker-0 (25:15)
What would you say, Terry? I think you’re you’re the same when it comes to prep and communication. That’s one thing again I think you all have in common. What what communication, how has your communication improved over the last couple of years?

speaker-2 (25:28)
I think for me the tools and the frameworks have given me structure to, I suppose, say what I want to say with more confidence to map out, you know, how do I want something to land and then taking a step back and, you know, understanding it a bit more. I think we did one, the do it matrix to kind of really make decisions, not to, again, I have the tendency I could go round and round in circles on the same decision. It’s a bit like the imperfect action. know, Karen has talked about

The tools like that have helped me move through things quicker, whether it’s the right decision or wrong decision, moving to a decision and then iterating on and see.

speaker-0 (26:05)
How did you get over any fear behind that? Because sometimes when it comes to making big decisions in leadership, when there’s stuff at stake and you’re worrying what your seniors are gonna you know, how do you get over that?

speaker-2 (26:15)
I think it’s starting small and doing small things and seeing nobody died. If it went well or if it went right, was, you know what I mean? One of my friends says, you know, we’re saving PDFs, not lives. It’s like, you know, how bad could it be, et cetera? But so for me, it was, suppose, doing some of the work more on maybe my own leadership style or, you know, taking some of the work in 260 on my own personal things to figure them out.

And then knowing right well now a framework that I could adapt to something in work as well. I suppose pushing back in work a bit more with confidence with the tool has helped me get a bit more assertive, you know, and just giving me that just that little step forward to kind of, you know, make it work.

speaker-0 (27:00)
And it’s been recognized too, right?

speaker-2 (27:02)
Yes, yeah, so I’ve been pushing for a while. I’d stepped up into a role and I’ve just been promoted. So yes, I’m delighted with that. But I’ve been put into a role that I love and I feel like I’m in the right place for the first time in long time.

speaker-0 (27:14)
Which is even which is even better. Which is even better. And I think you were mentioned there about being more assertive and that’s one thing I hear a lot from women. I wanna be more assertive but I still wanna be nice. Can you be assertive and nice?

speaker-2 (27:27)
Yeah. I think when you’re more authentic and you’re just saying what needs to be done, you know, I think I shied away from being direct with people before, because again, it’s that I wanted to be nice. But I think you have said it before. It’s like, do you want to be respected or liked? People would prefer you to be honest with them and they respect you, then be nice and not be honest with them. So I think…

That’s helped me kind of really shift my viewpoint that I might not be doing my team a service if I’m not being honest with them. And again, with all of us in corporate roles, there’s often things we all have to explain or understand and we may not all like what’s happening, but that is what we need to get done and understanding and suppose explaining it from the viewpoint of this is what we have to do and just being a bit more open and honest about it has helped.

I think.

speaker-0 (28:26)
Fabulous. And Karen, what about you? You’re you’re pretty good with your you’re very structured and you’re qu pretty good with your boundaries, would you say?

speaker-1 (28:33)
Yeah, yeah. I I I think I am. I on the the the work side, yes, I am good with the boundaries, let’s just say. But y

speaker-0 (28:41)
Listen, is it your kids? My kids walk all over me. Yeah.

speaker-1 (28:44)
Yes. Taxi

service for multiplied by four, yeah, is there. So it’s it’s it’s it’s busy when it comes to the personal side and that that’s probably part of what I liked about three sixty was it kinda gave me that little of focus for the home, the home life side of things or the health side of things and that’s kind of where this yeah is kind of focused on is health now ’cause I’ve gotten to where I want to be where I’m happy at at the moment.

speaker-0 (29:03)
Because you’ve just been promoted as well.

speaker-1 (29:05)
Exactly, yeah, yeah. So I’ve and I’m and I’m delighted with that and it’s and I have a you know, I’ve a a vision and a mission in front of me in terms of the work

so now it’s it’s also I gotta focus on myself a little bit as well now too, and that’s kind of where twenty twenty six is about.

speaker-0 (29:19)
And you had a tough you had a tough like year, like one thing last year. You went through a lot last year.

speaker-1 (29:24)
Yeah,

th the w there was a lot going on. The the big thing was for me as a as a bit of a backstory was I’ve two parents who were quite sick. My mum has stage four cancer. My dad has been having health issues over about thirty years I’d say. and in May of twenty four he was we went in just for a routine appointment. He was going in to get just a few an infusion for something, but we were told the doctor wanted to see him and the doctor told him the new is that actually we’re at the stage now, Brian, where

medication’s no longer work and we’re gonna have to go for dialysis. there’s nothing more we can do at this stage. And that would have been April 2024. In May he went back in and he said to the doctor, look, he said, I’m 71. dialysis is not going to do anything for me. I’m not a candidate for a transplant, give that treatment to somebody who could benefit from it. And whilst we knew why he took that decision, it was hard to accept as well too, because he’s your dad at the end of the day, you want him around forever.

But so that would have been May and then unfortunately in December of twenty four he kind of deteriorated. I think it was around about the twelfth of December we were told he’s now kind of at end stage. And then on Christmas Day, unfortunately, of twenty four, he took his last breath and he passed. So and it was tough.

speaker-0 (30:44)
Yeah. Yeah. And you showed up all the way all the way through and you know at that time it was one thing that I really really just you your courage and how you like how did you get through that period of time? And sorry, thank you for being so vulnerable on this.

speaker-1 (31:00)
It’s fine. I I mean I I wouldn’t even say I managed to hold it all together and I I think I probably let my usual saboteur hit me, which was avoidance. I would have thrown myself into kind of focusing more on work and trying to focus on going for that next challenge and work and what I wanted to do there. and kind of a try to avoid the grief where possible. I wouldn’t look at photographs, you know, I’d be didn’t want to start talking about it. But then, you know, I would feel myself every couple of months, I’d feel

bubbling up inside of me, you know, and then it would just come out and then I’d be fine again. But I you know, I think learning my learning through all of that though was that it’s not good to kinda quash those emotions down that you have to actually recognise them and accept them for what they are and acknowledge them. they’re not going to go away, they’re still going to be there, but you know, life does go on and you have to kinda move on. You still have kids at home that depend of your mother that’s there as well too and need support as well too and you just kinda have to keep going, so

speaker-0 (31:58)
Yeah. And how how has the three sixty community supported you over the last year? I think

speaker-1 (32:04)
One of the big things was there was no pressure. I remember you reached out to me and you had said it to me like, you know, take your time, don’t don’t feel like you’re under pressure, you have to kind of be back in, come back in when you’re ready, you know, in terms of going to the sessions or anything like that. And which was great because I was still able to kind of participate and watch from the sidelines in the background without feeling like I had to be front and centre. So that to me was good. and then in terms of the actual tools, one of the big things for me last year, I think was the CEO, the Power Ever.

and being results orientated, like just focusing on the results, because that allowed me to kind of put plans in place of what I wanted to achieve and then kind of work backwards then and say, okay, how am I gonna get there? And then kind of break down my week or months, whatever the the case happened to be. and that’s basically kind of I suppose what got me through that last year in terms of just the work end of things kind of keeping myself focused and keeping myself grounded. And then on the personal side obviously it would have been the support that I would have had from family and friends and the husband was brilliant. Like, you he kind of

speaker-0 (33:03)
He sounds like an amazing guy. We have to meet him one day. He sounds he sounds fabulous. And I think I got a good one. I think it’s it’s so important that we all remember that we’re you know, everyone goes through really, really challenging times and it’s not easy to be a female eater. So, you know, just give yourselves credit for that as well because it it is really tough. And, you know, I feel like for you there’s so much amazing things happening now and

You’re going to reformer Pilates and yoga and yin yoga and all of these things. I’m I’m loving watching everything that you’re doing. So, guys, we are gonna wrap it up in a minute. you have all been amazing examples of vulnerability and realness. I think everyone in the room would agree. It’s not easy to, you know, share what’s real, but you know, as we were talking about earlier today, authenticity is

A top trait when it comes to executive presence. And I know that you guys are going to inspire so many women with your story. So thank you all so much for sharing on the show and in person here today. So as always, we are going to finish up with a couple of questions and then we’ll wrap it up. What is the best piece of advice, Lisa, that you have ever received or that you would like to give to somebody? Well

speaker-3 (34:13)
And I’ve used it on the podcast already and it it it resonates that lead from where you are. Don’t wait for someone to ask or tell you or give you a title or give you permission. Start leading with the capabilities that you have today.

speaker-0 (34:32)
Love that. What about you, Terry?

speaker-2 (34:35)
For me, I I had this realisation before but I think Mel Robbins summed it up, it’s this idea of no one’s coming, as in no one’s coming to save you, no one’s coming to tell you to go for that job or go out for that run. But it’s that you have the agency within yourself to do so many things and it’s up to you to decide what you want to do and I think that’s been really powerful.

speaker-0 (34:57)
Fabulous and come.

speaker-1 (34:59)
I think

it’s I don’t know who said it now, but I know I’ve seen it many a time. It’s it’s to be the change that you want to to be. The change that you want, you know, you have to to kind of do it. And I one of the things I tell I think it was Terry Seville Foy had always said was success is built in your daily routine and that’s kind of one of the things I’ve taken away and definitely with the CEO power, for example, that’s really helped me kind of solidify what that daily routine should look like. again I will say it’s stronger in work than it is on the personal side, but it’s a work in progress.

speaker-0 (35:28)
We’re all a work in progress. We’re all a work in progress. Well, ladies, thank you so much for coming on the Lucy Garden Show today. Thank you to our live audience. Can we get a little Woo

speaker-2 (35:37)
Thank

speaker-0 (35:40)
They’ve all been told to be super quiet. They’ve been super good in the background. thank you all for tuning in today to the Lucy Garden Show. I hope you enjoyed it. If you want to connect with any of the ladies, we will link their handles below. So until next time, same place. Bye for now.